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An Open Letter to David Kane regarding the EB brouhaha

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David,

As an anonymous commenter put it,  there is a great need to step back here and evaluate this situation in a manner that at least attempts some sort of distance and objectivity. 
Equally,  it seems worthwhile to state that I see little evidence of any such attempt.

Overview.  Unlike almost anyone involved in this situation,  I have a practice as an IT professional.  I say this not to brag or posture,  but merely to point out the naked relevance of the fact.

In our discussions,  and since our agreement to move EphBlog to Drupal,  my intent has been to move EphBlog towards being a "community" website,  which is operated in a progressively more "professional" manner.  By "professional,  I mean in a manner that is akin to both similar projects,   and to the norms which I see prevailing in the industry.

In this regard,  over the past two to three years,  I have tried to give you and others involved in the project:  

  •     a sense of where you are relative to what is being done by others;  
  •     of what is being done in the industry and what may be done here;
  •     and of what is typical,  and where we might use the available technologies to do things outside and above the norm.

I have also sought to push the project forward,  as possible.

In this regard,  I want to state with frankness that the level of participation,  involvement and responsiveness on the part of the 'organization' which is EphBlog,  has been minimal or largely unhelpful.  I mean this purely as an evaluation,   intended to place this project and what has occurred in the past months and years in a comparative position,  relative to other projects,  and not as invective,  personal insult,  nor to reflect poorly on the individuals involved.  

It is not a fault that those involved lacked domain experience,  but it was and is a serious deficiency and handicap,  to be recognized and addressed.   In this regard,  I will point you to the experience of a "Board" discussion,  in which most members essentially rolled their eyes and conveyed that they did not have time for the matter at hand,  nor wish to give it further consideration.

Investment requirements,  etc.  The problem is that people who seriously build sites of this nature,  give such matters great consideration and time.  As I have tried to convey before,  developing community websites takes time,  takes expertise,  takes work.  In this regard,  again objectively,  there is simply no questioning that to date EphBlog has been an amateur work from a technical perspective.

I have also tried,   in an attempt to give perspective and an idea of what is at stake,   to cite typical site build costs and hourly rates.   Again, when I cite costs in the range of $50K,  or hourly rates of $250US,  I am not boasting,  exaggerating or posturing.  These are the prevailing norms,  facts which are easily verified.   My intent is to place this project in terms of those norms so that our efforts and perspective might be properly "aligned" to reality.

Equally,  I have tried to put this situation in perspective for others,  such as Whitney,  by giving a simple 1 to 10 rating of EphBlog's organizational "internal technical expertise" in comparison to other clients.   I told Whitney,  EphBlog's rating might be 1.5.  Whitney acknowledged this,  but the point of the example for decision-making,  and the need to step back and take lack of knowledge and experience into account,  seems to have been missed.

Inappropriate participation,  lack of fact-gathering and other due diligence;  plain hostility.  Largely,  when I relate normal concerns and considerations,  and ask the quite normal questions in the course of such projects,  I've received rolling eyes and been treated as if I have no idea what I'm talking about and am unreasonable-- if not insane.
When I sat down with a group of my professional peers,  (as I do weekly when in Nashville and other cities),  and tried to describe this situation-- which by no means conforms to the 'norms of things' in my profession and practice-- they all rolled their eyes in turn and acknowledge this as a "morass" situation.  Or in short,  this is a kind of situation we have experienced before,  recognize,  and all avoid if at all possible.

In terms of clients and client relations,  the simple fact is,  the less experienced a client and the less technical experience they bring to the table,  usually the more difficult they will be to service and the less profitable.   My ideal client is one with a great deal of internal technical expertise-- often,  covering many areas far beyond my knowledge-- to which I can bring very specialized knowledge and skills,  which they lack.

Nonetheless,   I do also and often take on more general clients and project.  The problem remains that even a mid-range client will still have a great deal of internal technical knowledge and therefore ability to support the project from their end.   A lower-range client will have little knowledge,  and no ability to provide this support.  In my experience and that of most of my collegues,   they often will expect "the moon" with little idea of what it takes to produce "the moon."  Often they will not value a consultant's expertise and advice,  in a situation where a corporate client would be paying $150/hr without thinking-- while expecting far less from the consultant,  because they have a good idea of "what it takes" to produce particular results,  and what is reasonable to expect.

This has certainly been such a situation.    "A nightmare."

Non-standard,  spurious requests and demands.  You have forwarded a variety of demands and assertions,  as have others involved.  The simple fact is that these demands and assertions do not fit into the norms and expectations of my business.  They are not posed in the customary language of how things are done in my industry.  They are not normal (they have clearly been part of some rather silly power games,  as well).

I might cite my encounter with Mike Moore,   when he said that the WTO doesn't force anyone to do anything,   but if you want to be a member of the WTO,  you have to adopt standardized procedures for a variety of things-- contracts,   legal procedures,  accounting,  etc.   "There's a way things are typically done;"  and then there are unrecognizable morasses of trying to re-invent the wheel when you don't know how a wheel is made.

Equally, I could also speak to you about the difference between professional development and the amateur level of development where a sole proprietor declares "my cousin could do that!";  the previous is a common joke in the industry.   My point is that this situation feels very much like that,  and has been filled with that dynamic;  my point is also that not adopting standard and recognizable ways of doing things,  gets nowhere,  slowly.

The non-crisis;  the sky was not falling;  manufactured crisis.  Moving back to the current situation,  the simple fact is that no great crisis has occurred.   A technological migration occurred;  in the middle of that migration,  the Chicken Little who built the previous system,  sent out a bunch of emails about a "takeover" and organized a user revolt.
Yes,  I've seen similar before,  but never quite this.

That's all there is to it,  however much you want to play the equivocation game and state,  "it might be true or it might not."  I've been to this rodeo before;  you haven't,  so please just stop playing games and accept the facts.  No business of any consequence,  would have allowed anything like what happened here to occur-- without risking its bottom line,  at least!

The reality here is that the new EphBlog works pretty much the same way as the old one.  It's a different system,  yes;  you've learned and become accustomed to how the default interface in WordPress does things,  but Drupal is not that different (there are in fact about a 100 interface options,  to meet various needs;  you're seeing one very basic "default").
And you have a lot to learn,  about something of which you know very little.

There's also nothing particularly "right" or "easy" about how WordPress does things.  Quite the opposite.  You learned how WordPress does things,  and got used to it-- but WordPress is in no way a "standard" or even "normal" as such things go.  You can also learn the same basics of how another system works in 15 to 30 minutes;  people in IT,  do such things all the time!

Another very relevant fact is that Drupal has somewhat taken the world by storm,  with many large organizations converting as quickly as possible and reaping the benefits-- and this fact also speaks highly to the fact that there was no crisis here,  except a made-up one.   We could speak about Vandy,  which has converted about 50% of operations and reduced related staffing by about 50%-- the foregoing,  is again to cite a basic metric of the advantages.

But such discussions are for another time.

At the core,  technical choices.  Moving to Drupal is a technical decision,  to be evaluated objectively.  As our anonymous commentator put it,  there is a need to step back and evaluate the issues here rationally,  and objectively,  or,  put in another language,  as a business organization seeking to do what you want to do,  would look at it.

That takes time,  and could involve all sorts of aspects and discussions-- some of which would be valuable,  to building understanding of what's going on.  However,   a decision was made to move forward. 

And to repeat the point I've been trying to make for at least two years,  web development of all kinds,  is now serious business.  Sites easily cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce,   and similar amounts to maintain.  In contrast to how 'Ronit' put it,  what professionals in this industry do,  is not simply "make pretty websites" "with PHP." 

It's far more complex,  and involves a great deal more,   including both experience and good judgment.

Regarding unilateral demands and the way things are done.  Recently,  you forwarded me another demand for "the EphBlog database and files,"  -- I will note,  as if you had not read my email to you.  A number of other comments have been made and posted here and there.

This is not how things are done in my professional experience, and opinion.

I am not typically forwarded unilateral demands for such files-- files which are not your property,  I might add-- and if I were,  for instance by a VP at Digital Research (to cite a client),  I would generally expect that client to realize that executing the request might not be as straightforward as you,  or others with an amateurs level of experience,  seem to think.

You are not doing things as things are typically done in the professional world,  so let me tell you how things are done in your situation.

Since resurrecting or "reverting" the WordPress version was clearly and transparently your intent,  I would normally receive a request like "We'd like to revert to the WordPress version.  Can you send the files necessary to do this,  or tell us what it will take to accomplish?"

At which point in a collegial and professional dialogue,   I have the opportunity to tell you why this is a very,  very bad idea,   communicate some of the issues involved and the lost opportunity and other costs of doing so,  including the time and difficulty of again converting to Drupal at a future point-- and my own investment to-date--  and then we can consider the options and factors,  and discuss and weight them in a rational,  objective manner.

But that's exactly what you have not done.  And while people here have told me that they can't talk to me about this,  because I'm "unreasonable" and "impossible to work with,"  the very basic fact is that I have no problem talking with and working with clients at a variety of levels. 

The basic point of fact is that,  from a technical perspective,  you guys have little to no idea what you're talking about,  (though you act like you do),   have not bothered to act in an evaluative and knowledge-seeking manner,  and in short,  have been entirely unreasonable and impossible to work with.   Neither has "your side," in large part,  been willing to learn and engage in the kinds of discussions,  that are common in real and actual practice.

COUNTER-DEMANDS.   In terms of my expectations of you -- which are demands,  I must point out-- I expect you to move forward with our agreement regarding EphBlog,  and support this transition and the future of Eph(b)log in whatever its future form is,  in every way you possibly can.

I expect and demand that you will end this silliness,  cease with the transparent and destructive games and act to suppress them where you see them,  and start acting forthrightly to end this conflict,  moving this project forward in a normal,  professional matter,  as best as you are able.

Of course,  if you do not fulfill these expectations and demands,  I will have further responses,  and I hope that is clear.  Again,  I do these sorts of things as part of a professional practice.  I've seem such situations play out before,  and I'm far more familiar,  with how matters like this have and can be played out,  than you are.   Conflict in the end is ridiculous and non-productive.

Expectation of professional treatment.  I also expect to be treated professionally,  and as a senior professional in this domain who is providing professional services as a partner in the endeavor. 

There is a odd and destructive dynamic which has occurred here,  which can be summarized by saying that a reasonable client compensating me at typical hourly or project rates would never have treated me as I have been treated here-- or they would have been been "fired" and promptly received a bill for my time.

Since you have not been paying for my time,  (and since you and others seem to have no idea of how that time is typically compensated,) it seems that you may have felt you could approach this situation without normal consideration and respect,  and dismiss,  condesend to and deceive me as if I were a low-level employee.  I assure you,  that is not the case and you need to consider how much the foregoing is part of the problem.

Longer analysis and materials;  no obligation to provide.  Over the past three weeks,  I prepared longer materials that might explain this situation and the options to you,  as I found time.  The base reality is that I have spent over 20 hours doing this,  and I might well be paid $5,000 for a similar report for a paying client.  I should and do not need to provide the same "for free" to explain myself to a "client" who is not aware of very basic realities and needs instruction.

Equally,  I am and would have been glad to provide support,  aid,  instruction and development services to this project,  had this conflict not occurred.  I am under no obligation to do so,  and to constantly explain myself,  under highly hostile circumstances,  and will not do so.

You should also understand that I fully expected your support and that of other internal members of the EphBlog community during this transition,  and in no way planned to (or wished to) be left running Eph(b)log "on my own."  To be brief,  the organized sabotage of Eph(b)log as it stands,  has resulted in what is left being far weaker than it might and should be,  and quite easily can be taken as involving a wide range of actions that are legally actionable.

WordPress revert idea;   poor decision-making;   prior commitments and investments.  You and others have continued to leave suggestions and signals "on the table" here,   which boil down to re-establishing a separate version of EphBlog under WordPress.  Any such course is simply ill-considered and wrong for a large variety of reasons.

Operating two versions of the site, one with an outdated/inappropriate technological platform,  would simply be divisive and confusing to users (in terms of "branding"  &etc),  -- just to begin. 

Such suggestions reveal a great deal of poor decision-making and lack of objective,  distanced consideration,  and their origins in "behind the scenes,"  "backroom dealing",  "infighting" and so forth is what it is-- a fairly good summary,  of the poor management and decision-making processes being EphBlog to date.   These things must end,  and I hope that by now,  it is clear that I am prepared to employ significant coersive force to ensure that they do end.

I did not "sign on,"  nor commit serious resources,  to operate another site at another domain,  in division and competition with EphBlog.  I agreed and committed my resources to creating an "online community" for the College at the EphBlog.com domain.    Anything else is a breach of our agreements,  as well as just plain ill-advised.

Governance structures or lack thereof.  The governance structures of Eph(b)log,  and their lack of clarity (etc.) also play highly in this matter.  However, no further discussion of them is necessary in this document.

Defamations.  As well,  I need to point out that there have been a wide variety of simply false and defamatory emails and postings distributed about me,  which accuse me of doing things I did not do,  of various acts ("stealing" and so forth) which I did not take and which cannot be substantiated,  and which insult and damage my professional reputation. 

This is in no way acceptable and also must end;  it is also a matter which,   despite all naive assertions to the contrary,  is entirely legally actionable, and which I will take legal action in response to,  if repairs are not made.   Though the behavioral standards of some anonymous online forums have come to prevail,  no one has been anonymous here and everyone is accountable for their actions and statements.

To the extent to which you have been a part of the pattern and actions above,  intentionally or unintentionally,  I demand that you cease to be a part of this and to correct the record in a proactive manner.  As for others involved in this,   I will also place them  on the "legal department" stack of my desk and deal with them on my own.

End the divisiveness -- now.  Turning back to EphBlog,  as should be clear,  I am also making a demand of you,  and in colloquial language,  it is "end this divisive petty pointless bullshit,  now."  There is no point to this and it serves no purpose.  In terms of my own time,  I had perhaps 70 hours to devote to EphBlog-- mostly technical tasks-- over the past two months,  and at least half of that has been spent in pointless,  petty conflicts of the most mundane sort-- plus more time that was unanticipated and disruptive to my life.  That's a loss.

Roles;  other concerns;  ultimate directions.  As far as articles on EphBlog and the like,  while it is interesting to be following Williams news closely,  and useful in terms of considering how to build systems to "do it better" and "on a larger scale," I really don't want to be the person gathering news and posts for EphBlog "on my own"-- I don't think anyone should be "running the show" in that manner,  and it's simply and certainly not a role I wish to play.

I am the site developer and consultant;  I take your role,  as the business founder and director,  who has partnered with me in the endeavor (and,  by the way,  who should learn to effectively distance himself from matters not his expertise).

I will point out-- in response to one of your concerns-- while it may have taken you a few hours or more to gather and prepare posts of videos from Williams,  that is something I can make a tool to do and accomplish in -- 15 minutes to an half-hour.  (All your video posts could have been "aggregated" in that time).  Give me a few hours and I can build something that records and exposes metadata,  and opens the possibility of a "library tool" that is open and useable by others in the Williams community.

These are the sort of things we can be doing and should be doing,  and which others are doing across the industry.   It does take time,  but any perception that it is "too hard" or "too complex" is absurd.  If you don't have the time or will to engage in such a conversation or course of development,  that's another situation-- one in which I'll kindly ask you to stand aside and support others doing the work.

I thus see myself (and what I want to do) not as the person who gathers and posts all this stuff,  but as the person who can create and give people the tools along the quite common "community" or "crowdsourced" models.  I can create tools which follow Williams news around the internet,  and give anyone willing to learn a little,  the ability to look at that news and "promote" interesting items to EB for discussion,  in minutes instead of hours.

Which,  really,   is "the tenth of it,"  as you should know from our previous conversations.  I will not address or lay out "visions" or larger directions,  at this time.

Errata;  various technical and other considerations.  Finally,  and in closing,  a variety of tech-ish notes which move off-message but need to be said:

When you or anyone else "points out an issue" on a site such as EB,  such as the "posted by" issue,  9+ times out of 10,  I or any other tech professional will already be aware,  tracking the issue and looking for an appropriate solution.   Presuming a professional environment,  you are generally not making someone aware of an issue when you point it out in such a case;  generally,  the task is to inform you of the status of the large variety of such issues in a large project,  educate you about the appropriate issues,  and provide you with an opportunity for input if there are options or decisions to be made.

Such "input" is,  however,  often (perhaps half the time or more) entirely critical and necessary,  in situations where one is not simply deploying pre-made,  stock software "off the shelf,"  but engaging in significant,  custom "development work."    (Again,  I could point you to various materials regarding this and engage in discussion,  but that is not the focus of this document.)

Typically (or at least,  "effectively")  IT professionals do not deal with issues "ad hoc;"  we make lists,  track,  and respond with available resources and time in the most efficient manner we can acheive.  Because such matters take time -- real time,  with the possibility that any particular issue will "explode" into hours-- an "ad hoc,"  "on demand" or "amateur"-level tracking and response is simply highly inefficient and costly.  If you are in the position of someone on a limited budget paying a staff on an hourly or similar arrangement,   you may see the advantage of adopting "best practices" in dealing with such issues,  and reporting and tracking them in a highly organized and efficient manner,  rather than lobbing an unclear report or request into another discussion and leaving it to "the staff."

In all these matters,   conflict is usually destructive and less valuable than doing things and getting things done-- and my focus here is and should be on engaging in site development,  not conflict and relatively low-level discussion of disagreements.  This may be your "first community website,"  but I've had over 100 clients in the past four  years alone.  Though I am entirely willing to engage in productive,  collegial professional-level discussion of the issues problems,  and matters involved,    I am not interested and will not engage in pointless bickering about low-level,  basic issues.  When the choice is between replying to you in a matter such as this,  for instance,  and helping Mike Leon '11 out in using Eph(b)log to promote his project,  or some other task that will improve the site,  I'm going to prioritize the site developement and ignore you.  I hope this is also entirely clear.

In terms of timing,  you seem to have a series of expectations which are largely out-of-line with available resources and realities.  As stated,  I had hoped to have the support and contribution of the community over the past few months,  and have much more in place at this point (the start of the semester).   Regardless, producing a professional-grade site,  with accompanying materials such as user instructions and guides,  etc.,  is (again) no small task.  At this point my timeline for achieving something on the basic order of professional-grade is approx. six months,  and I have significantly scaled back my expectations of the user acquisition and outreach we can achieve in the next semester.

A note on "we:"  I said "we,"  and that's a term I've fairly rarely heard around EB (except when it's been pulled out as a last-ditch rhetorical tool to hide personal agendas).  I've heard a lot of "I" and "I can have this..." and "can I have this?" and so forth.   In my first IT position out of grad school,   I was dressed down for using "I..." in a Board meeting,  and "I" got the point long ago;  "we" speak of "we" in business endeavors.  One of the greatest problems here,  has been a lot of people thinking of "I" in regards to EphBlog,  and of what "I" can get or do.

It's time to be more than a collection of ten or so various "I"s pulling together in opposite directions,  each unwilling to participate if they don't get their own particular vision or way,  and to work together,  with compromise and goodwill,  toward building a better online community forum for the entire College community.

Finally-- please,  take your time to think about this and think it through.


Sincerely,


Kenneth Thomas '93

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As a mostly disinterested party, but a keen observer of train wrecks, I have been watching this situation unfold, a few comments/observations. Let me preface everything I say by first stating that I have no view of the internal workings, so my opinion is based almost entirely on Ken's writings. With apologies to Ken, I will also stipulate that I have not read them all carefully. To be blunt, he needs to learn the skill of editing.
 
With that said, I think it is clear that Ken made a mistake volunteering his time to this cause, and the board made a further mistake in assigning him such responsibility and allowing the  migration to Drupal. As Ken makes clear, he is the only person qualified to run the site in its current form. This has created a single point of power/failure, which is clearly incompatible with what appears to be the ideal of a democratically run site.  
 
Much as Ken likes to deride WordPress, it is a system that can work, and one that many organizations are using to great effect. If I were Ken, I would devote my remaining effort to the tasks of converting the ephblog content and instantiating a simple site on WordPress.com (where a dedicated system administrator would no longer be required), handing over the passwords, and then washing my hands of the whole thing.
 

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Dear Mr. Shapiro,

Let's try this again.

I'm personally filing your reply under the following rubric:

Someone Wrong Internet

With respect.  Please consider the following hypothetical:

You're moved to a small town,  under 10,000.  People don't like you much their (you're a liberal,  your last name,   how you look,  the positions you take,  something).  But the mayor eventually recruits you to help out on a major project to deal with a contaminated waterway and the wetlands around it,  and promises you a position in accomplishing that project.

You deliver a 20-page summary report to the town council;  there is the opportunity for public review,  a hearing.

In the course of that hearing,   some yokal redneck,  who happens to be well-connected to local politics and capable of derailing the project,  stands up and stays:

"Well,  with respect to Mr. Shapiro,  I haven't read much of this report.   But my grandfather and his grandfather before were dumping stuff off their farm into the river,   and I don't see how its going to hurt to go on for a while more.  Way I see it,  Mr. Shapiro has wasted his time,  and should turn this back over to us.  Way he's set it up,  he's the only person knows anything about it,  and he's put himself in control in front of any of us.  That's not very democratic,  and that's not how we do things 'round here."

How do you respond to that person,  and what's just happened?

And I'm afraid you've just made yourself that person,  Mr. Shapiro,  proving that a Ph.D. in Ecology,  hath its value and its limits.  The fact is that you know of the history (I hope you can quote and complete this with Santayana,  at least in English).  Your understanding of WordPress and Drupal can only be that of an amateur,  rudimentary at best;  you're in no way,  really qualified to make the kind of assertions you make,  and instead are doing something quite different.

Respectfully,

Mr. Thomas ('93)

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due to parental care obligations I don't have much of a life these days, certainly not enough to parse through all the 'dreck' and angst being thrown about here and regarding EphBlog....

it's all pretty discouraging and in the end reminds me of what one of my law school professors said more than 30 years ago:

"there are few things less interesting than an academic pissing contest."

Wtf is going on here and why can't supposedly intelligent people get their $hite together and move on/ forward?

 

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Dear fendertweed:
Excuse me,  but given the date,   I have to ask,  are you referring to the US Congress or the inmates of this particular aslyum?
But:  Hmmph.  Join the crowd.  It isn't like my mother needs to have a medical escort on flights or anything,  and I don't have to fly to where she is,  accompany her,  and fly back.
The phrasing I was more likely to encounter around the mileau of grad school went something like:

"Why are academic debates so nasty?  Because the stakes are so small."

Of course,  actual academics as opposed to armchair quarterbacks outside academia were unlikely to see things in this manner;   and while good portions of academia tend to the quite petty,   Williams' corner of the world usually does quite a lot to avoid such pitfalls.  It's called collegial respect,   and courtesy,  both qualities which receive a good deal of derision 'round these parts.

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What kind of comments and reviews are you looking for?

A few things we won't tolerate: personal attacks, obscenity, vulgarity, profanity (including expletives and letters followed by dashes), commercial promotion, impersonations, incoherence and SHOUTING.

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How boring!

Honestly, this whole situation.

Ken, I've read your complaints and they seem valid.

But no matter the reasons for the move or the complaints lodged against certain individuals, the site right now is a mess. What used to be an informative site with an attractive design and relatively simple operations for posting (I have posted articles several times in the past but no longer want to be associated with the site), etc., has turned into a huge mess.

When I click on the next page, the next page doesn't even open (or maybe it just took so long i shut the tab); there are so many options on the comments I could barely find this box to write; and the main page looks so cluttered with links and the RSS feeds that I can barely tell what content is there. In addition, it doesn't show the number of comments a certain article has, which is a nice option to show where the options are.

Obviously this is a complicated situation, but it is shameful. I'd rather see a functioning WordPress site return.

Put it this way: if a student applying to Williams (which is happening now!) looks at this unofficial website for the college, what will they think?

I know I would not be impressed by any stretch.

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Dear "current senior,"

I've just looked at EBL for the first time in the past 24 hours-- the last 8 to 10 of which,  have mostly been spent fixing problems on other sites that are much more revenue positive.

Thus I'm going to reply relatively briefly.

First,  a lot goes into site planning and construction.  It's a process.  I can understand your concern for something that works "out of the box,"  but there's a world of site development far above "out of the box."

It is clear to me that the typical pre-planning that comes in a larger site development,  was not possible here.  "Why" doesn't matter at the moment.

You raise a variety (grab-bag) of technical and other concerns.  For instance,  you say "next" doesn't work for you.    The problem is,  I don't see a problem.  I have quite a number of browsers (five! not counting versions) in my default system,  and in all of them,  I click "next" at the bottom of the screen,  and an ajax call flips to the next page of info (and so forth).  If it's not working for you,  I'm going to need more information about what browser you're using and what specifically isn't working (heck,  maybe you're hitting 'next' somewhere else!,  I don't know).

Of course-- it could be that our recent system upgrade,  or any of a variety of issues,  caused it to hang;  it could be a "transient error" that just went away with the latest updates to Ubuntu 11.10,  or it could be-- that EBL was getting hammered by a botnet when you came by,  and didn't have the system resources to reply.  (I just don't know;  it could be that the WP EphBlog worked for you,  more or less,  because I was willing to throw large resources at solving our serious botnet problem,  and I'm no longer willing to do that.[1])

How a larger and more professional operation handles such matters is simple.  They list the issues in front of them,  they use an issue tracking system,  and they address issues in that list progressively and in order of priority and importance.    This builds understanding and things become better,   one issue at a time and down to the least important issues.

As far as RSS and layout-- well,  there are a LOT of potential items to be addressed there.  It's clear from analytics,  that the majority of our readers don't have a clue what RSS is,  after all!  Good site "info" and "help" might allow people to sort through it-- and educate our readers-- but someone has to do that.  And one either sits and does nothing,  or moves forward.

I respect your comment on a "potential student,"  but I've also poured over our logs and analytics and know,  roughly,  how many users we do *not* have.  We are being looked at by,  at most,  a handful of potential students (our regular readers at nat.choate.edu,  notwithstanding).  What I'm saying:  it's not an immediate concern;  it's a medium-term concern,  and before we gain the readership to make it a serious concern,  it can be addressed.

As well,  your comment about not choosing to be involved with the site,  also strikes something important in my mind.  My impression from being on campus was that the vast majority of people were largely unaware of EB.  However,  those who were,  had a negative,  often very highly negative impression of EB.  Too many people,  wanted nothing to do with the previous incarnation,  myself provisionally included!

This can be summed up by a phone conversation I had with a '70s alum,  in 2007-- he point-blank asked me,  how I could be involved with a site that was so racist,  and so negative towards the College and its Faculty and Staff?   I don't have to accept his/her judgment-- but it represents a major issue that has to be taken,  and examined,  seriously.

That comment thus weights heavy in my thoughts today,  -- is something that has to be addressed,  although how addressing it,  meshes with the technical issues,   is not obvious or simple.

Otherwise-- as for posting and comments-- you've figured it out,  Frank Uible has figured it out,  is it *that* hard?   It's not ideal-- we have a fairly default and untweaked implementation,  but the challenge is to look at that,  talk to people like you,  understand the needs of the current and future userbase,  and make it better-- given that it is in one way or another,  fully subject to change.    And that's what larger professional operations do everyday,  "day in and day out." 

It takes work,  of course,  -- but that's hardly something Williams people don't understand,  is it?  :)

Best,

 

[1] The issue here in brief is that EBL keeps killing the server I have it on,  as it has for years:  EBL as I measure it has about 50 users,  while the same server configuration ran CountryHound.com without problem,  and as I measure it,  CountryHound has 30,000+ users.  "There are technical issues here that matter;"  as I see it,  the WP version of EBL was offline 2-5 days/month,  because some relatively poor decisons were made (this is not "ad hominem";  the site has people trying to take it down...),  regardless that's a "nightmare."  You're thus comparing apples to oranges;  will all respect,  it's just not nearly as simple as you may think.

 

I much, much preferred KaneBlog. I agree with Current Senior; this site is cluttered, but moreover, it has no interesting content. If David Kane, or someone else, were still posting interesting things on it, I would be willing to wade through the clutter to read interesting things about Williams, but this site no longer engages me.

Why does www.ephblog.com redirect here? This web site has nothing to do with EphBlog. People may have complained about David Kane's posts, but EphBlog had (has! I hope it has not died!) a dedicated readership and authorship.

With all due respect, the KaneBlog of the past was much more interesting than the KenBlog we currently have.

This is only the second or third time I've been to the site since it changed format. The previous time or two, I was turned off by the new format. This time, I stayed long enough to read a lot of Kent's letter and some of the comments. I then went back to the homepage to try to really "engage" with the site like I used to from time to time when it was a Wordpress site. I'm sorry, but this new format just doesn't do it for me, and I see myself rarely coming back.

This is only the second or third time I've been to the site since it changed format. The previous time or two, I was turned off by the new format. This time, I stayed long enough to read a lot of Kent's letter and some of the comments. I then went back to the homepage to try to really "engage" with the site like I used to from time to time when it was a Wordpress site. I'm sorry, but this new format just doesn't do it for me, and I see myself rarely coming back. That said, I thank Kent for his volunteer effort nonetheless.

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Well,  I'll reply to this before Diana.

FIrst,  I'm not sure why you would make the assumption that our current physical appearance is going to be our "new format" or whatever it is that you mean :) .  See that word "alpha" up there?  In software development it means something between "not ready for prime time" and "buggy,  may not work,  expect issues."  It also means something between "version before beta" and "demonstration of concept."

Our currect visual appearance or,  more particularly,  our "user experience" is what it is.  Or in short,  we planned for a Drupal conversion around February which would have indeed brought something like a "new format,"  with significant layout changes and new topical sections.  This stalled in the usual wheel spinning,  crossed wires and petty backfighting between individuals,  after consuming much more than the 40 hours or so I had for it.

Since the July 4th weekend allowed me to block off several days to "do it,"  I implemented an off-the-shelf professional "theme,"  Acquia Fusion (I know the person who made it),  and then attempted to,   more or less,  replicate EphBlog's format and functionality "in it" and Drupal-- though much of the time was spend in a tedious data migration.  We have expanded or "promoted" some of the information that was hidden elsewhere on the site,  on the front page.  Some people rely on these summary sections,  heavily.

But in reality we have an implementation that is very basic and rudimentary-- you might think of it as a "wireframe,"  or a construction site.   So much is subject to change in the building plan,  that there's no point in hanging drywall,  much less painting anything!

There is also a joke in my industry,  which arose a few years ago,  which goes:  "What's the difference between a web designer and a user experience designer?  About $40,000 a year."  This is to say,  that there are aspects of designing an "site" such as this,  which are far beyond the WordPress crowd.  We're nowhere near the level of considering "user experience" with the systematic methods common in the industry.  Heck,  I'm not sure Williams does that for its own web presence!

For a month or so,  I operated EphBlog as something of a Williams-related news aggregation site.   Such "aggregation" is one of many potential functions we can fulfill for the community,  and of value-- as well as somewhat fascinating.  I,  however,  am not going to be the person doing the curation,  though I'm willing to redesign the systems for such aggregation,  to make the time it takes a quarter or less.  (I also wanted to watch the traffic analytics during such a change).

During the past week and a half,  I've been taking a break of sorts (again,  I'm not going to run this;  and as my mother spent much of the previous two months between hospitals and Shalom Park in Denver,  and is now moving back home-- I haven't exactly had more time to give this).  Mostly I've been reviewing the history of EphBlog,  how it evolved,  and some of the core events in its history,  -- while posting some relevant materials to EBL,  so we have them "online" and can deal with them in the future.

I've also used this period to establish some kind of baseline of what the site's real traffic and readership is -- that is,  since we've been essentially "offline" for a week+,  "real traffic,"  as opposed to spammers and hostiles and the Anonymous hoarde and the like,  should be close to zero.   We can use the stats to better judge the reality in the future.

The uptake of all the above is that there really isn't much here that would be "taken seriously" from a professional perspective-- though I don't mean to insult the history or effort.  But no one who builds online communities for a living would take EB for much more than it was (a minor,  highly flawed effort.)  There are many criteria one can use to judge this,  but one highly relevant one is that it was ever thought that EphBlog had a readership of 1000,   when that was off by a factor of 10 or 20 or 30.  There's been some fantasy role-playing going on here :).

There are many other complexities,  in terms of how online communities and forums are constructed and run.  EphBlog lacked a sort of historical depth-- common enough on the web-- an ability to reach back and look at the history and development of ideas and issues.  On our new platform it is at least possibleto do this with relative ease;  with new search and other tools,  it will beccome much easier,  "for what it is worth."

Equally,   there's been remarkably little serious work or thought about what EphBlog is or what it should be,  beyond occasional bursts of irrational exuberance about becoming a community for all alums.  This can be seen in David's early experiments with blogger (where he could not even master uploading an image).   The upshot of this,  in real terms,  is that EB has always been a site "too big for its britches."  It never gathered the technical capacity to achieve what it talked about,  and didn't really have a grasp on the matters at hand.

I've also been reviewing histories of print publications,  and was most struck with Katherine Grahams descriptions of the operational failures of the Washington Post after her father bought it.  There's a great need here to step back,  ask what we're doing,   and put in place some concrete structures to get it done. 

Otherwise-- EphBlog has been something more of an online role-playing game,   than a publication or community for all alums.  Otherwise,  EB is just 10 to 20 people,  playing the game of being "authors" and "audience" in front of each other,  and taking themselves much,  much too seriously.   And-- as most of the College community looks on in some disdain.

In terms of my own plans,  I'm now reaching out to people at the College,  and to particular alums,  to become involved in this project.  In contrast to the "quick thinking" mentioned on our frontpage today,  I imagine this to be a long-term and more careful process.  The place and function of EBL and what it does,  needs to be discussed and discussed again with multiple parties,  and we need to attract a core group who bring the appropriate skills to construct a College-wide online community.

To move towards conclusion,  to walk in and call the current state of things here a "mess" is somewhat like walking onto the construction site of the new library at Williams,  and telling the foreman that he's made a "mess."  Sure,  he knows he's torn things apart and made a mess,  -- you're not telling him much.   But the point,  is to build something new and better,  and that people are goiing to have to endure a little disruption as the construction goes on.  

Or-- heck,  these kind of criticisms wouldn't have been too useful when WSO was built!

As far as the current state of matters,  the best thing anyone can do,  of course,  is to become involved and find something useful to do.  If you don't like the visual appearance,  perhaps,  we can talk about how to improve it in the short term,  and about where it can "go" in the medium and long-term.  If you want to see certain topics and issues "covered" on EBL,  then-- well,  someone has to do that.  There is a large potential for creating interest groups or "cross-generational communities of learning,"  and creating ongoing discussions and community between Ephs of different generations,  based on that.

There is also the rather simple sort of thing that David did when starting this site:  taking information about Ephs who have been long-separated,   and reconnecting people with that information and a communications facility that allows them to rediscover each other and talk.  Certainly that was valuable when David originally did it,  and it is even better today as,  for instance,  people can actually commenton the information and communicate with each other.

We just have to manage the conversation.

"

To move towards conclusion, to walk in and call the current state of things here a "mess" is somewhat like walking onto the construction site of the new library at Williams, and telling the foreman that he's made a "mess." Sure, he knows he's torn things apart and made a mess, -- you're not telling him much.
" Two huge holes in that metaphor:

  • Unlike physical space, online space is unlimited. Creating a new building requires tearing the old one down first. Creating a new online community does not.
  • The decision to build a new library, and the design thereof, was subject to a large amount of thought, discussion, and debate among Williams staff, faculty, and students. If we had instead just woken up one morning to see Steve Klass (say) standing in the ruins of Sawyer library, having made a unilateral decision to demolish it and with no clear plan for its replacement -- I do believe some people would be unhappy.

I agree that there's room for a more sophisticated online Williams community than provided by either EphBlog or WSO, and it's good that you're working towards that goal. It would be better if you could do it without destroying the existing community and alienating many of its members.

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First,  we accept anonymous comments only provisionally,  and anon commenters will be treated mostly as trolls.
Your metaphorizing is not worth much.  "Online space is unlimited" is as commonplace as it is trite-- but tell it to the manager of an online publication such as the SF Chronicle,  and you may get laughed at.
Building a larger community has always been the plan here.  Maybe that wasn't communicated because David isn't a good manager for a such a project;  maybe it wasn't communicated because Ronit manipulated the make-believe so-called Board which wasn't really a Board,  to exclude David and limit David's influence-- a clearly ill-advised move.   And maybe it was because no one here knew how to run an online forum as opposed to a "blog."  (Catch the recent Harry's Law?) I don't know an I don't care at this point.
Equally,  there's a reason sysadmins such as me,  stay up nights making sure their clients' sites are online.  Presuming you're not an anonymous sockpuppet for Ronit,  -- you might direct some of your ire at the person or people who took EB offline for three weeks. 
Otherwise,  while you may be right, I'm less clear.  By my count alone,  EB alienated more people than it had as a readership (at best).  The internal divisions were unbearable,  and reflected an unworkable organizational structure -- one in which every person on "the Board" had a different and usually contradictory interpretation of what "the Rules" were.
Hell,  at least one President and two Board members wrote that "David was the problem...,"  just to start.  The dynamics on the Forum were seriously bad,  and no one wanted to own up to it.
It was far past time to stop constantly changing course,  drop anchor,  find a point of reference,  and figure out where the hell we were going. 
 
P.S.  Did you notice how in GMail's new interface,  they default to having a picture included in each message?   Geez... Gmail's new $15M interface... wish we had those kind of UIX resources! 
P.P.S.  When's Williams going to join the real world and use Gmail instead of whatever wrong decision it keeps clinging to?
P.S.P.  Work on you geo-spacial metaphors,   whydontcha?

I graduated from Williams a few years ago. Once an avid reader of EphBlog, I stopped for quite a while after graduation and recently started coming back to the site every now and then.

Coming back, I have been quite disappointed in and befuddled at what I have found here. I agree very strongly with the commenters who have noted that the site is difficult to navigate and cluttered. My greatest complaint, however, is that the content is largely off topic (or that the on-topic content is rather difficult to find). David's posts could certainly rile people up, but I appreciated EphBlog's former iteration for its pointed, critical tone and its content focus on Williams.

Without its name, I would likely have to blink a number of times to realize that this site is about WIlliams first and foremost. It reads, rather, as more of a blog about Web development or online forum/blogging standards.

I read the Record to get informed about what's going on at my alma mater, and I used to read EphBlog for a critical, largely alumni perspective on that and others relevant news. I frankly have no idea what purpose EphBlog's current iteration is meant to serve for the alumni community, but it certainly doesn't help me out much for staying connected with what's going on back in Williamstown.

Ken, it seems from this post and others that you've been devoting much of your time and energy to this site, and for that I applaud you. At the same time, something significant would have to change here for me to keep coming back.

Respectfully,

Jon G

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Dear Jon G.,
Thanks for your reply, and for identifying yourself and your perspective.  There's certainly a value in knowing something of who you're talking to,  and I appreciate your perspective.
A somewhat random series of replies:
 

  • we have multiple constituencies.   When the "Eph Planet" was off for a few days,  I heard about it!  You might say in some sense that EBL has been "all things to all people."  Regardless,  we want to do our best to serve as many Eph constituencies, as we can.
  • I am taking a suggestion from an anon commenter,  and "taking a break" or,  as I indicate above,  "bring the ship to a full stop."  My intent is roughtly a) to have 24 hours in my life when I don't think about EBL; b) to break some bad dynamics we've built up; c) to establish the time or rythm to define a "mission" definition of the site,  that is clear and pointed.
  • To the above,  I'm polling various members and areas of the Eph community,  both to seek input and aid.  I'd like that to be a full and considered process.
  • In order to run a personal blog,  you don't need to learn much about operating online communities,  necessarily.   EBL has been mostly an overgrown personal blog.  But to actually run an online community,  well,  some knowledge of the basics is necessary.  To that end,  my own postings will focus on posting relevant source materials about doing such.
  • More minor:  Such series of posts can also be "wrapped up" into a "book"-- which is what we should have been doing with a lot of previous 'serial' material on the same topics.  This is much easier in our new platform.
  • Otherwise-- I suspect many of your reactions to the 'busy-ness' of our current appearance are not to "too much information" per se,  but because the graphic layout really does fail to observe some very basic rules-- it *should* annoy you,  but it can be fixed.   Condensed summary:  we're likely to try to get *more* info onto the main page,   this can be done more effectively and cleanly (go look at GMail's new interface!),  but,  as Prof. Thrun (Stanford AI) puts it,  there's a tension between 'scrappy' and 'neat'.   We're going to tend towards 'scrappy' for a while.

As I said,   I appreciate your input.  (Your participation would,   of course,  also be welcome!).   I'm not sure we'll have quite the *same* content as before,  but we are working to have content about and by alums,  as better 'hosting' for discussions between alums. 
And again,  there's plenty of room for anyone who wishes to join,  to create what they want.
Best, 
Ken
 

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